David Wilcock: All right, welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host, David Wilcock, and I’m here with Corey Goode, and in this episode we are bringing you none other than John Lear, the son of the inventor of the Learjet. And in this first segment, you’re going to see him share his background with you.
So without further ado, I bring you John Lear.
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John Lear: You know, my dad was Bill Lear, and he developed the Learjet. And I was really totally involved in aviation from the beginning. And I flew for different airlines all over the world.
And in 1985, I started getting interested in this UFO thing, which I didn’t believe in.
There’s a reunion here every once in a while, or every couple of years, here in Las Vegas of Southeast Asia pilots. And [i] talking to one of the guys, and he mentioned that he’d been stationed at Bentwaters.
And I said, “Oh, that’s where that saucer supposedly landed.”
And he said, “No, not supposedly, it did. I didn’t see it, but I know the guys who did.”
And so I said, “You mean this stuff is real?”
And that’s what started me on all this. And then everything I’d run into got me a little bit further.
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David: All right. In our next segment, we’re going to get into some of the real meat of this, where we have a classic case in UFO literature.
I found out about this I think even before the Internet, because for me, prior to the age of the Internet, you would have to go to the bookstore, and you’d look for the new UFO books. And, of course, all that information is about a year out of date.
But one of the names that came up in those books was always Bob Lazar. Who is Bob Lazar? You’re going to find out right now in this next segment. Let’s take a look.
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BEGINNINGS OF AN INSIDER
John Lear: His name was Gene Huff, the appraiser, and we were talking about UFOs.
And Bob Lazar was sitting there rolling his eyes, and he said, “You guys are nuts.” He said, “I worked at Los Alamos. If there had been anything secret like that, I would have known.”
And I’ve heard that so many times. It’s incredibly ignorant people that say, “I would have known.” Ha, ha, ha.
Anyway, during the rest of the summer, we gave Bob enough information that he could check with his friends that still worked at Los Alamos to find out that, well, yeah, something is going on because they do know a lot of stuff.
So he called up Dr. Teller, who he had met at Los Alamos, and said he wanted to re-enter the scientific field. And Teller said, “Do you want to work with me at Livermore here in California, or do you want to work in Nevada?”
Bob said, “I want to work at Area 51.”
Teller said, “Okay, let me get back with you.”
So this was in October of ’88, and Bob then, over the next several weeks, got three interviews.
And he’d go down to EG&G, which is Edgerton, Germeshausen, and Grier, and there was a panel, and they interviewed him.
And he aced all the interviews. I mean, he was just right up with everything they wanted to know as far as scientific, and where he’d been, and what he’d studied in college and all that kind of stuff.
The second interview, their first question was, what’s your relationship with John Lear? And what else do you do with John?
And so there was definitely interest there.
He used to come over in the evening, and we’d bullshit about what was going on. He said, “I saw a disc today.”
And I said, “What?”
“I saw a disc?”
I said, “Theirs or ours?”
He said, “Theirs.”
I said, “You went to Area 51?”
And he said, “Yeah.”
And I said, “Well, what are you doing here?” I said, “You know they followed you. Why don’t you just work for a while, find out what’s going on, and THEN talk about it?”
He said, “John, you’ve taken so much crap over the past few years.” He said, “I wanted to tell you it’s true. I was in it. I touched it. It’s not ours. It’s from billions of light years away or wherever.”
And so that’s how I met Bob. And he worked for the next few months.
And he’d tell us when the test flights were going to be, always on a Wednesday night. And we’d drive out there and take photos or videos and stuff.
One of the times, we got caught. And that’s when the security guards stopped us within the test site.
We were still on BLM land, and it was legal, but they said, ‘We can make it awful difficult for you if you stay here.”
So we left and got out on the highway, and that’s when the Lincoln County sheriff stopped us.
“Get out of the car; hands up,” you know, all that stuff. They wanted to know two things: why are there four people in his car – or five people now – and there was only four when the security stopped you?And Bob had run out in the desert.
And the other thing was, “Where’s the 9-millimeter?” Because Bob had said he got the 9-millimeter.
After about an hour, the sheriff – and I used to know his name real well – he said, “I don’t know why I’ve been told this, but I’ve been told to let you guys go and not to say anything more.”
So we drove home, and early the next morning is when Dennis Mariana, the guy that Bob worked for, said, “Bob, don’t go to the airplane. I’m going to pick you up. We’re going to go up to Indian Springs.”
And Indian Springs is now Creech Air Force Base, and that’s where the center for all test site security activities are.
And they took him there, took him out of the car with a gun in his ear and said, “Now, Bob, when we gave you this clearance, it didn’t mean you were supposed to take all your friends and tell them about the flying saucers.” Ha, ha.
So at that time, Bob’s wife was having an affair with her flight instructor, which Bob didn’t know about, but which they knew about, because they were listening to all his phones.
Everything was tapped – my house, Bob’s house, Gene’s house, everything.
So they said, “When you get your life straightened out, you’re welcome to come back.”
And Bob said the reason he never went back was the fact that the last two trips he made up to Area 51, he could remember getting on the 737 to go to Groom Lake and getting off, but nothing in between – no working, no what he did, none of that. So that bothered him.
He wanted to know what he was going to be working on, but their mind control is so far advanced now.
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David: So, Corey, I wanted to start when he mentioned Edgarton, Germeshausen, and Grier, I think is the name of the EG&G defense contractor.
Corey: EG&G is one of these ICC companies that pops up all over the place.
David: Okay, so they are directly involved in reverse-engineering spacecraft of an advanced nature?
Corey: Yes, yes, working on different components of them.
David: Okay, now, he also mentioned Los Alamos, and some people might be tut-tutting on that one and saying, “Oh, that’s just a nuclear facility.”
Are they really only messing around with nuclear weapons there, or is there something more?
Corey: No, there’s always other programs being run underneath. I thought it was very interesting when he stated that Bob Lazar rolled his eyes and said, “If there’s anything going on there, I would have know about it.”
I had an incident when I worked at the Federal Reserve. One of the guys that worked under me, out of the blue, stands up from his desk, turns to me, and – he was in the Air Force for like eight years – and he said, “I worked at all these places that they say UFOs are being flown at and reverse-engineered.”
And he said, “If this really existed, I would know about it.” And he was just looking at me.
And I was like, “Hmm.”
Corey: So that’s a common thing. A lot of people would work all around this type of activity and, because of the compartmentalization, have no idea what’s going on.
David: So if he said that after going back to Area 51 a couple times and having no memory of the work that he did there, and Lear is saying the mind control technology has gotten that good, is it possible that he also had experienced things at Los Alamos and had gotten blank slated on that as well?
Corey: He was absolutely blank slated. They had developed the bank slating process way earlier on astronauts, people involved in the space program.
And they were even using some of that in our first nuclear program. They were doing studies and doing mind wipes on people chemically, all different types of methods.
So this is something that goes back to World War II.
David: Okay, now I want to get into Bob Lazar with you in some detail, because the original testimony was extremely fascinating. It shaped my whole career, and he really didn’t touch on it at all, but he is the center of how that came into being.
So the first thing I want to throw at you is Element 115. Bob Lazar’s testimony was that there was a super heavy, i.e., “transuranic element”, that has an atomic weight of 115, and that that was the source of propulsion for the ship.
Now, at the time those books came out, no one had been able to get that heavy of an element to actually form, but Lazar said that once you get up past, I think it was 112 or 113, that all of a sudden it’s not radioactive anymore – it becomes a stable element – but that it’s very dense, and all you have to do is shoot protons at it, and it gives off tremendous amounts of energy, and that’s how the ship is powered.
And there’s a little sphere that the Element 115 is in. It’s like a triangle of it. Then there’s a tube that goes up, which he called a waveguide. And that this was the propulsion system of the ship.
So I’m wondering if any of that aspect of Lazar’s testimony is anything you can comment on or clarify for us?
Corey: Was he saying that the propulsion and the power plant were one and the same?
Corey: Okay, that would make sense for some of the more advanced extraterrestrial craft. But a lot of them were just using torsion field engines that were very similar to like the Glocke . . .
Corey: . . . that had a separate power plant that would funnel high amounts of electricity to these torsion drives. And there would usually be three of them on most of these craft.
David: That’s a very important part of what Lazar said as well, and I want to get to that in a minute.
Are you familiar with the idea that elements that are super heavy, i.e., with an atomic weight up around 115, could become stable again and non-radioactive, that you could actually hold them without dying?
Corey: The periodic table that was on the wall of various craft I was in when I was working with the scientists had way more than 112 or 114 or 118 elements on it.
Corey: [Shakes head to confirm this.]
David: All right, in this next segment, we’re going to get into Lear and his father’s aeronautics company’s role in developing what we now think of as the Secret Space Program. This is very fascinating. Check it out.
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THE SSP AND THE ISS
John Lear: I know that my father was the prime contractor for antigravity in 1952.
And I’ve got the papers on that. Unfortunately for him, he couldn’t keep his mouth shut.
And he went down to Bogota in 1953 and started talking about UFOs. So as close as he was, they kicked him out of the program, but Lear, Incorporated, still kept with that antigrav stuff.
And I think that was totally complete by 1956, which means we had saucers then – you know, the whole enchilada by then.
Kwajalein is where all the secret stuff goes. All those launches are out in the South Pacific.
And Kwajalein Island, the Ronald Reagan, they launch probably every other day. There’s probably 1,000 astronauts currently qualified that go up all the time.
So I was working ATS, Above Top Secret, or wherever it was, and we were talking about the discrepancies with the shuttle going up and taking 48 hours to get to the ISS, when it only took the Russians an hour.
And then the same thing, when they disengaged from the ISS, why did it take them over 48 hours to come back?
And, of course, what they were doing is . . . and what tipped me off is one of the videos they had when the shuttle got there, they opened the door, and it’s only half full.
So what they were doing is taking as much stuff that they could for the astronauts that were doing all the secret stuff, and, of course, the things they had to have like fruit and perishables and stuff. And that had to go up and be unloaded.
And then the Russians would always launch the same day that the shuttle launched. And that stuff that they had in their rocket would be transferred to the shuttle, and when it came back down, the reason it took them two days is they were going to all the different space stations and dropping all the stuff off that the Russians had given.
Which brings me to the Cold War. I think that was all bullshit. There was never any Cold War. We’ve always been allied with the Russians.
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David: So, first of all, Corey, John Lear is describing how his father with his aeronautics company apparently was put in charge of developing antigravity, or at least was one of the groups tasked with that.
David: And he was essentially excised from the antigravity research, even though his own company was still involved in it. And therefore, he believes that by 1956 that we actually had working flying saucers.
So let’s just start with that little piece of data, and what does your experience and background suggest is the truth behind what he just said about this?
Corey: Well, the way you stated it was accurate, because they were . . . like Tompkins was doing. They were seeding this information to many different engineers and companies.
David: Like in these packages?
Corey: In these packages.
David: So could a package include blueprints of working antigravity prototype that then they’d have to reverse-engineer or something like that?
Corey: Yes. I mean, if you have five different groups with five different engineering teams, they all do not come up with the same concept.
Then you have five different or a few different concepts that are being worked on by different teams that are not cross-pollinating or polluting each other.
David: Now, the next thing that he got into was the times, you know, 1952 and 1956, where he thinks we had working prototypes. That sounds pretty close to some of what you said on the show.
Corey: It does, and it’s right during the time that all of it was being developed.
David: Now, you’d mentioned before that the U.S. had gotten to a certain point in its own research, but it essentially hit a brick wall, and that, therefore, the Nazi breakaway faction overflights of Washington, D.C., in 1952 that kind of forced a truce to be made, that the U.S. wanted to do that in part because they needed intel from the Germans to be able to perfect their own antigravity. Is that still true?
David: So what do you think was going on with Lear Aeronautics at this point? Was it only the German influence that then actually got them to perfect that technology by, as he said, 1956?
Corey: From far behind the scenes, this German breakaway group had infiltrated the military-industrial complex. Right after Paperclip, the infiltration had started.
And then after the overflights, and we made the agreement with the Nazi group, then, yes, they infiltrated like crazy after that.
David: Okay, the next thing that Lear talks about is this island that he said approximately 1,000 astronauts that would be working out of Kwajalein and doing space missions. That seems a lot less than some of the stuff that we’ve talked about.
Is It possible that this might be the MIC Secret Space Program that he’s referring to now?
Corey: Yes, that’s what it is.
David: So how do those numbers fit with what you’ve heard about the MIC program?
Corey: Not a whole lot of specifics on the numbers, but there were a number of islands that they were launching these multistage rockets, like old rockets.
David: Oh, wow.
Corey: And they were servicing . . . This is also how they created some of these space stations. Some of these MIC space stations are made out of different stages of rockets that, once they were used to leave orbit, they then ferried these pieces together, sort of welded them together in almost a circle, but more of like a flattened circle.
David: Like an octagon.
Corey: Like an octagon. And they would have like two or three layers of those, and in the middle, they have more of those types, like fuselage or stages of rockets, that are turned the other way.
And then the station spins, creating like a third gravity or something like that. And the shuttles would come and dock at the top of the spoke of the wheel.
David: Oh, so they did use the space shuttle?
Corey: Yeah, they used the space shuttle, conventional rockets, and later on when they started developing these larger, triangular shuttles. They called them shuttles. They had plenty of room to bring all of the food and . . . I mean, you’re bringing stuff up, and you’re bringing stuff back.
David: So what do you think . . . When he’s talking about the space shuttle taking 40 hours to do the same work that the Russians do in one, I guess what you’re now doing is you’re confirming that that could be work that’s being done, just like he said, going through MIC Secret Space Program bases like that.
Corey: Yeah, the space shuttles that we saw as a kid, they would dock with these secret space stations. They were helping build them in the beginning.
As we were developing the shuttle fleet, we see these black triangles. Those are what now service these various space stations, and they have manned satellites that have three to six people that rotate in and out.
David: What were those astronauts thinking they were doing? Was this like Star Wars and defending us against nuclear attacks from Russians, that sort of stuff?
Corey: It’s the Star Wars program, SDI.
Corey: They were all sworn to secrecy. All of the people that were able to make it into the astronaut program, I believe, as we’ve said before, they were Freemasons, people that they had in other projects in the military, and had proven that they could keep their mouth shut – not to mention that they also used blank slating on them quite a bit.
David: All right, we have another segment from Lear now in which he describes some of his own intel about this mysterious, enigmatic base out there in the middle of nowhere in the Southwest. Let’s take a look.
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WORKING WITH ETs
John Lear: I always tell this story about the Area 51. They hired a security guard when they were first cranking up, and he was supposed to sit at one of these hallway intersections.
One of the praying mantises comes walking down like this [John sways his shoulders from side to side], and the guard looks at him and has a heart attack and dies.
So what they did is they were more careful now. Over a period of three or four weeks, they flash different photos so that they didn’t get so scared when one of these things walks down the hallway.
Joe Resnick was telling me he was working in a laboratory with a Reptilian. And he said they look just like us, and the only difference was they would close the inner eyelid every once in a while. And it would shock him every time they did that. They had two sets of eyelids.
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David: All right, so let’s pick up on the second part first. He’s describing a Reptilian that he says looks just like us except for a nictitating membrane in the eye.
That doesn’t exactly sound like the same type of Reptilians that you’ve been talking about. So why do you think that human-looking of a being would be called a Reptilian? What do you think was going on there?
Corey: There are a number of different types of Reptilian types of beings that we’ve talked about.
Corey: But this could be even a hybrid for all we know, a human hybrid with a Reptilian.
David: Since you’ve personally seen a whole bunch of different types of ETs, did you see any that had a nictitating membrane like what he described?
Corey: There are a lot of different beings, especially the aquatics, that have a membrane that goes this way [Corey uses two fingers in front of his eye and moves them together and apart horizontally], and then they have an eyelid that goes this way [Corey positions his thumb and forefinger in front of his eye and moves them together and apart vertically].
David: So this kind of gets into the other thing, where he’s talking about the mantis being. I guess there is a kind of a psychological shock that you’re going to face when confronted with extraterrestrial life like this.
Corey: It’s very rare that they’re going to just put a person that’s not acclimated to nonterrestrials in a situation with nonterrestrials.
In the beginning, they’ll show pictures of dead nonterrestrials to them, show like a video clip. Then they’ll get to see a dead one. And then they just slowly acclimate them to interacting with these nonterrestrials.
They did a lot of testing to see how people would take Disclosure, and often they would be military personnel that they would expose to nonterrestrials, and it was never a good reaction.
David: Are the mantis beings one of the most difficult types for us to see?
Corey: The Mantis and the Reptilians. There is a programmed visceral reaction. I don’t care who you are, how advanced you think you are. When you first see these beings, your body, before your mind has a chance to process it, your body has some sort of a strange visceral reaction.
David: Pete also has described the sound of the sliding of the chitin as you are around one of these mantis beings, that even the sound of their bodies moving is like very disturbing and makes you feel tense, even if you don’t see them.
Did you ever experience that?
Corey: Yeah. There are a number of beings that they would have kind of like an insectoid-type outer exoskeleton. And they would make noises or sound almost like fingernail kind of sounds, just strange kind of sounds, but it wasn’t really that disturbing to me.
David: All right, so in this next clip, we’re going to have some really contentious information about the idea of the nature of our Solar System.
Wait until you hear what Corey has to say, because even though this may seem hard to believe, there is some compelling insider testimony to back up what Lear is about to tell us. Let’s take a look.
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OUR STAR SYSTEM: REVISED
John Lear: Our star system with the Sun and allegedly the nine planets – there’s really 40 planets. And many of them are hidden so that we can’t see them for various reasons. And they want to keep that all secret, but there is so much going on between all of the 40 planets, their moons, their satellites.
Carl Sagan would say, “Yeah, well, there’s probably aliens, but they’re millions of years away.”
No, they aren’t. They’re right on Earth. Probably 25% of the population, Earth’s population, is aliens. Of course, we’re aliens, too, but . . .
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David: So let’s talk about this. Is it possible that there are these other planets out there?
Corey: Well, there are other planets and planetoids, some of them within and beyond the Kuiper Belt. They call them “Kuiper Belt objects”.
Some of them are being detected. Gravitational anomalies are being detected. And astronomers are beginning to say, “Yeah, there’s something out there.”
But some of the planets, just like Pluto – I think Pluto is like 17 degrees off the ecliptic plane in its odd orbit . . .
David: Right. It’s the only “planet” or planetoid that’s offset in the official record.
Corey: Right. And we’ve got a pretty messy Solar System. There are other planets and planetoids that are in strange orbits off the ecliptic plane.
David: And he mentioned that they have satellites around them, meaning moons as well.
David: So is that true based on your experience?
Corey: Yes. I mean, they have a gravitational pull of their own. Some of them have many objects that are similar to moons that orbit them. But there are a large number of objects out there yet for conventional astronomy to discover.
David: You’d mentioned before that the SSP Alliance has a presence out in the Kuiper Belt. Are all of these different planets that we’re now talking about, planets and satellites, being occupied in various ways? Is all the real estate essentially being used in some form or another?
Corey: They’ve all either been occupied in the past or are being occupied now, by both our space fleet, as well as nonterrestrials.
David: So the other thing that he discussed was the idea that 25% of the actual inhabitants of Earth – and this might not include anybody on the surface, would be my assumption – 25% could be extraterrestrial. How does that kind of a percentage estimate line up with what your intel would suggest about, let’s say, Draco in Antarctica, Inner Earth civilizations, that kind of thing?
Corey: Well, to me it sounded like he was saying that they were living amongst us, just like us . . .
Corey: . . . 25% of the population. The amount of Draco and other beings that are below certain areas of our planet far exceeds that.
I have not heard any intel that stated that there were that many nonterrestrials living amongst us as us.
Corey: What he did say also is that we are all ETs, which is true. A lot of people talk, “I think I’m a hybrid.” Yeah, you are. We’re all hybrids. We’re all genetic experiments, and we have genetic stock from all over the cosmos.
David: All right, so now we have another segment for you in which Lear is going to describe his own intel surrounding the Moon.
It’s a little different than what I’ve heard and what Corey has heard, but rather than argue about it, we just want to try to find some common ground here. So let’s take a look.
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THE MEN ON THE MOON
John Lear: The Moon is artificial. The two Russians that wrote the book about being a spacecraft, they were right on. It was.
And there’s all kinds of stuff inside the Moon, and yeah, it’s artificial.
To monitor us about what’s going on, they, you know, the humans that live there, are completely separate with the Greys that have the laboratories up there.
I estimate there’s probably a quarter of a million people on the Moon right now. They’re not humans like us, but humans from somewhere else.
And we used to think that the Greys would pick up one in 10. No, they pick up EVERYBODY. And they do it all the time, and they give them updated programs and things like that.
And fantastic laboratories they have up there. And we figure there’s 7 billion people on Earth. That’s a lot of trips.
And it’s said that if they ever showed themselves without the cloaking, the sky would be black all day long with the ships going back and forth, taking all the different people back and forth and doing all the tests and stuff.
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David: When Lear was describing the Moon being artificial, this, of course, is something you’ve discussed many times. So did you have any additional thoughts on that part of what he had to say regarding the idea that there could be, he believed, potentially a quarter million people living on the moon?
Seems like from some of the stuff we’ve been talking about, it might be a lot more than a quarter million.
Corey: It very likely is many times that.
Corey: Yeah, the Moon is so developed out, especially on the inside, as he was saying.
David: There is a very strong claim being made here that everyone on Earth is being subject to these abductions by Greys. I’m not sure where he heard this from, but it doesn’t seem like that lines up with what I’ve heard from other insiders. And I’m curious about what your experience of that type of information would be.
Corey: Well, there are a large number of abductions that occur by other beings other than the Greys.
Corey: You know, there’s a grand experiment going on down here, and there are a large number of people that are being abducted. But it’s not everyone. I mean, just the logistics of that.
Also, he mentioned that the skies would be full of craft if they were not cloaked. That is . . . it wouldn’t be black, but we would see an amazing amount of air traffic if they weren’t cloaked, both our own craft and theirs.
David: Are their highway type of things or conduits that the craft go in? It’s not just totally scattered all over the sky like insects?
Corey: Right. They have flight corridors that they fly in. Even the Anshar, they have to fly within certain flight corridors.
But these craft are flying so fast, they could be flying all around, and you’re not going to see them if they are uncloaked unless they stop or are going really slow.
They’re moving way faster, you know, thousands of frames per second. But there is a lot of traffic in these corridors.
David: All right. Well, this has been a really fascinating journey into the testimony of John Lear, the son of the amazing aeronautics pioneer, Lear himself, the guy responsible for what we call the Learjet today.
This is “Cosmic Disclosure”, and I hope you’ve enjoyed it. I know I have. I’m here with Corey Goode, and we’ll see you next time here on Gaia. Thanks for watching.